Curse

tcratty · Jan 11, 2011, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Tharg

try to do UW solo with an E/Rt and then try it with an Rt/X and you will see what the 4 extra attributes in Channeling will give you, not to mention the 86 or so extra health your spirits will have with 9 spawning power

i do UW runs with my ele/rit SoS and i have no trouble what so ever clearing for ecto run yes i works faster with rit but it can still be done with ease

Xenomortis · Jan 11, 2011, 03:21 PM // 15:21

At least use a N/Rt or R/Rt (eugh)...

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Originally Posted by Rites

sooooo..... trying something different is crap?? last i checked thats how builds are made is by trying something that most peeps haven't done.

No.
You've taken an SoS template and slammed it on a different profession with no thought. You lose power and gain nothing - at best a larger energy bar from Energy Storage but that doesn't really accomplish anything.
It's immediately obvious that this is outright inferior to a Rit running the same build so don't cry when it's called out.

Yes, new good builds are found by people experimenting but it also requires some thought and you can't dismiss criticism out of hand - no matter how hard it may bite.

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Originally Posted by Rites

its not that i doubt someones experience, but if you just say "its a crap build" with no explanation, you have given me no reason to trust your input

This is not what you received.

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Originally Posted by Rites

and BTW: this hero is for a new toon, and sadly the only campaign i haven't finished is NF, but i am working on it, so Xandra is the only Rit i can unlock at the time of this posting

Xandra can be unlocked fairly quickly and easily (she only comes up in Round 2 of the Norn Tournament so there's no need to go all the way through it) and one Rit hero running a spirit build is more than sufficient to get through NF and indeed pretty much anything H/H.

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Originally Posted by Rites

lol, i'm glad you find it boring... as i am not an "Elite" player, i have actually found nightfalls to be the most challenging. WiK is the other set i seem to find a lil challenging as well, but eventually i'll get thru

NF is the hardest campaign towards the end (EotN throws up some tough stuff, but not usually on the main quest chain). We all find it tedious because we've done it repeatedly - no matter what something is, when it's long and you've done it 7 times already, the 8th time is probably going to be fairly tedious.
It's made worse by the fact that PvE is actually very easy once you really get to grips with how the game works.

The War in Kryta is hard in comparison to most everything else because the enemy mobs actually have decent builds.

Captain Bulldozer · Jan 11, 2011, 04:11 PM // 16:11

As it stands, any caster profession and even rangers can effectively run a spammer build. Doesn't mean its the best option, but if you really want spirits out there, may as well run them on an E/Rt until you get a rit hero. By the way, getting Xandra is actually very easy. You can do so at level 10 quite easily. Prior to level 10 spirits aren't nearly as OP, so you may as well just go get Xandra.

Khomet Si Netjer · Jan 11, 2011, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Rites

ok i have 2 toons atm, a sin and a ranger

i decided i wanted to make a paragon, and have been thinking of how and which heroes to grab. as i looked at my other 2 toons (and hero builds everywhere else) i noticed i have a tendency to stick with pretty much the same common heroes most people use (except for my 2 volley paras and full volley/barrage group). anyway

i noticed that there is an E/Mo hero build that has actually been pretty good through my testing, now i was wondering if anyone ever thought of using an E/Rit SoS build, and if they have what are/were the opinions on them.

was thinking:
Flesh of my flesh
Painful Bond
SoS (of course)
Agony
Bloodsong
Splinter weapon
Spirit siphon

remember, this build is for hero
fire away

Hi Rites.
The only useful stuff I have seen in this thread so far can be reduced to "a ritualist primary is most efficient, so use that". That is clearly true, but you already know that, and it doesn't answer your question at all...

If the question is which non-Ritualist hero should i bring to boost physical damage, then I'd suggest the following:
N/Rt Orders with splinter weapon
N/Rt Curses (barbs, mark of pain, etc.) with splinter weapon
N/Rt Minion master / minion bomber with splinter weapon
E/N Ether Renewal Orders (order of pain, dark fury, etc)
D/N Orders dervish

I really wish that people would tone down the attitude and just give useful advice when someone asks for it.

Spiritz · Jan 11, 2011, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by Life Bringing

Are you high? That made no sense. Flesh of my flesh isnt the one with the on-death clause, thats Death Pact Signet. Spirit siphon is your energy management(note that energy storage is not energy management), and splinter weapon does massive damage. The only resto skill that the ele has is flesh of my flesh, which doesnt require a resto spec to be used. If you were to drop anything, it would probably be agony

Fomf and Dps i always get mixed up on - hopefully in a few yrs i`ll manage to get my old brain actually remembering skills.. damn old age is getting to me lol

Rites · Jan 11, 2011, 05:54 PM // 17:54

interesting.....

thanx all for the criticism, this has been quite fun to read. i used vekk as my SoS till i got Xandra, though i did change the build to just have SoS then earth defensive skills, worked good for me. now i'm off to learn the wurms.

again, many shanx

Bodock · Jan 12, 2011, 07:55 PM // 19:55

for nm it works fine

Roen · Jan 12, 2011, 10:05 PM // 22:05

If you want to run Any/Rt SoS make it a Ranger primary. Please. I have Xandra and Pyre heroes and sometimes prefer Pyre (R/Rt) over Xandra (Rt/x) because he's a little less squishy. In HM, I find Xandra gets attacked more than she should unless I micro flagging her. Pyre I can just run with and not worry.

Yes, Xandra's spirits are more durable but with AoU and Spiritleech, Pyre's spirits hold up quite well in every HM area I've attempted.

Plus it's just more pleasing to me when I bring Pyre and Gwen on the same team.